Posts Tagged ‘Faulty Pro-Life Arguments’

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posted by Life Report, April 29, 2014 @ 10:33 am

Top 5 Pro-Life Pet Peeves with Steven Ertelt (Part 2)

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Top 5 Pro-Life Pet PeevesSteven Ertelt from LifeNews.com discusses his list of pro-life pet peeves with Josh.

While obviously not all pro-life advocates do these things, many do, and Steven argues that we will be more effective as a movement if we eliminate these bad habits.

Related Links:

  • Subscribe to the JoshBrahm.com blog to get free access to Josh’s speech that was referenced in this episode, “9 Faulty Pro-Life Arguments and Tactics.”
  • Watch/Listen: Top 5 Pro-Life Pet Peeves with Steven Ertelt (Part 1).

 

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posted by Life Report, April 7, 2014 @ 2:06 pm

Top 5 Pro-Life Pet Peeves with Steven Ertelt (Part 1)

Download Audio MP3 | 00:28:00

Top 5 Pro-Life Pet PeevesSteven Ertelt from LifeNews.com discusses his list of pro-life pet peeves with Josh.

While obviously not all pro-life advocates do these things, many do, and Steven argues that we will be more effective as a movement if we eliminate these bad habits.

Related Links:

  • Watch/Listen: Life Report #127: “How Should Pro-Lifers Interact With Post-Abortive Women?” with Steve Wagner and Rebecca Haschke.
  • Read: Tim Brahm: “Memorized and Meaningless? A Fresh Look at 1 Corinthians 13.”
  • Read: “Personhood Amendment in Mississippi Likely Won’t Ban Abortion.”

 

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posted by Life Report, December 18, 2013 @ 10:02 am

How Should Women Be Punished if Abortion Becomes Illegal?

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Rebecca Haschke from Justice For All joins Josh Brahm and Gabi Vehrs to discuss a question that pro-lifers often struggle with.

After offering some thoughts on how pro-lifers should respond to this question, the discussion turns to another philosophical conundrum that pro-choice people often ask about: should the fact that abortion bans would be hard to enforce mean that we shouldn’t try to make abortion illegal?

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Update 6/22: Upon request, I’ve written most of these points up as an article and published them at JoshBrahm.com.

Here’s an outline of my main points in response to this question from Bobby: “Some pro-life people oppose ‘incrementalist’ pro-life laws because they always end with ‘… and then you can kill the baby.’ What are your thoughts?”

Note: Many of my arguments and thinking on these issues comes from conversations I had with Scott Klusendorf and Dr. Francis Beckwith, who both graciously spent time with me while I was working through these issues in 2007. I’m not sure now who said what and how many of these arguments are really my own, nor would I want to source any of these arguments directly to Scott or Frank without their permission. (These were all private conversations.) It’s probably a fair assumption that the really smart talking points came from one of them though.

This was supposed to be a video but we had technical difficulties with the recorded video, so I’m posting the audio only.

  • Night view of Capitol Building, Washington D.C., USACommon ground: I agree that we don’t want to communicate to people that we only care about babies that feel pain, are a certain age, not conceived in rape, etc.
  • I disagree that most forms of incremental legislation send that message. I think most people know how politics works.
  • My argument is not that we should do evil that good may come. My argument is that when we pass incremental bills that will have a positive impact for the unborn, we are not actually doing evil. We are doing a good thing.
  • What’s implicit in these bills is that we want to save all, but we know we can’t, so we’re going to save the most we can, and go from there.
  • William Wilberforce helped pass a bill, the Foreign Slave Trade Bill of 1806) that you could have ended with, “and then you can sell the slave.”
  • Do you think it’s more important to make an impact or to make a statement? I don’t believe that passing a bill with a rape exception tacked onto it at the last minute sends a message to pro-choice people that we don’t care about the babies conceived in rape that are sometimes killed in abortions.

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After wrapping up four Life Report episodes, Josh, Tim and Gabi hung out to cover some material they didn’t have time to get into earlier in the day. Those topics and questions for Tim include:

  1. You said, “Love does not insist on its own way; it does not need to have the last word in a debate.” Does that conflict with the Stand to Reason mantra of trying to leave people with a pebble in their shoe?
  2. A discussion of pro-life memes and why most of them are bad.
  3. You said, “Love is not resentful, it does not dwell on the failures of those around us. Love does not rejoice at wrongdoing. It is not excited when those around us are caught in sin.” What about pro-life groups like Live Action that do undercover investigative videos catching Planned Parenthood doing bad things?
  4. Can you talk about how we are to love practically with those in the pro-life movement who may disagree on our political method, for example on our use of graphic images? How would you apply your piece to that?
  5. Which line in the 1 Cor 13 piece do you feel is the most important, or the most contrasted by the way a lot of pro-life people actually act?